Episode 480 - Heat and Your Motorcycle

Hello boys and girls, 

Welcome to Episode 480 of The Motorcycle Men Podcast! Tonight, Ted, Tim, Chris, and Justin are back in the V-Twin Cafe and ready to unleash another round of motorcycle talk, questionable insights, and the kind of laughter that only happens when four grown men pretend to run a professional show.

We'll catch up on all of the interviews that have taken place for starters and then we dive into the National Days Calendar because it's what we do.

We’ll hit the BINIT, and the Motorcycle Podcasters Challenge.

But today is about heat and your motorcycle. We'll talk about how it effects your bike, the fluids, your tires and you.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:25

No. Uh well, no, it is. It is. It is. It is.

SPEAKER_04 0:29

Cool as a relative. Humidity came back.

SPEAKER_06 0:31

Well, yeah, but it's it's still I mean, it was a hundred and fucking four on Friday.

unknown 0:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 0:37

It felt like a hundred and ten. It's like maybe it got to like the low eighties today.

SPEAKER_03 0:44

Like it it's oh yeah, I mean it's been way better, but the the humidity definitely came back today. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

Yeah, it's not like it was. Well, I just came back from a restaurant and I got out in a car and it was 104. Yeah. Yesterday here it was great.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

It was like 68 degrees most of the time.

SPEAKER_06 1:02

Yeah, yesterday was nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

Minus all the cloud cloudy weather.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Well we get a lot of thunder and no rain. We get odds and thunder and no rain.

SPEAKER_05 1:15

Uh default output there.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

Anyway. Um okay. We're gonna proceed. I'll I'll worry about the sounds later. Our uh things kind of changed around on my computer and I lost all the sounds. I didn't lose them, they're just in a different location, and now I got you had technical difficulties? No, no, no, no, no. I had to relocate. But it's right, everything was on my G drive, and now it got all moved to my M drive. Now I have to relocate everything. I have to point it all to the M drive, so I'll I'm not gonna worry about it now. I have one sound. I have two and two sounds around.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

We don't hear it.

SPEAKER_04 1:53

That's I that's that's that's so bizarre to me that you guys don't hear the sounds, but anyway, whatever. Anyway, uh if you guys are ready to kick things off and get it move on, move on, get it on, um hello boys and girls. It's uh Motorcycle Men Podcast. This is episode 480. Yeah, and uh we're here in the V Twin Cafe in Sweltering Everywhere, USA. It's um yeah, it's just really, really hot.

SPEAKER_06 2:26

Um aka motorcycle riding weather. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, perfect for that. As long as you keep moving.

SPEAKER_04 2:33

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Don't don't stop though.

SPEAKER_04 2:35

Yeah. Uh so we're here in V-Twin Cafe, and uh joining me, as always, uh in the corner booth is uh brother Tim Buck. And then yeah, and then we got uh Chris, Mr. Joker with us. And uh Justin Brown. Shut the fuck up!

SPEAKER_06 3:04

How you guys doing? Because my liter my my computer literally just shit the bed. Really? Said I lost my network connection the whole nine yards, and it reconnected, and I just heard Justin Brown.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

Awesome. You guys have been good. It's been a while since we chatted. Yes has been a while. Um we've been we've been we've been busy, everybody's been doing their thing, and it's been you know, just doing stuff. Um what's been going on here? Let's see. Uh last time we last time we chatted was uh five episodes ago, was episode 475. And since then I had a chat with our friend Furman Hendrickson, who took Woody over to um over to Ireland.

SPEAKER_06 3:51

And he's nothing like a firm Woody, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 3:54

Yeah, easy now. I don't know. I don't know about that, but maybe he did. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Well yeah, Woody gets around.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

Yeah, Woody does get around. Anyway, he did it he did a motorcycle tours with the Celtic Rider Motorcycle Tours. Uh basically he just rented a motorcycle there and just toured around um Ireland. So really cool. And uh Woody's back home. And he's got uh, you know, Irish Jiz on him, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Let's let's see, let's see Woody. Where is it?

SPEAKER_04 4:20

He's on my motorcycle right now. Well you can talk about him and then you don't have him with you. He's on the bike, we've got to tell you. But uh yeah, so he's back home. And uh I I got some great pictures from Furman. I I showed some of the I think I showed you some of the pictures last time, anyway. Uh but I also spoke with uh Larry Marshall about his Route 66 trip. Uh he took a Route 66 tour with a couple buddies for the 100th anniversary of Route 66.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Nice.

SPEAKER_04 4:49

Yeah, and he took some pictures and we were talking about Where did he where did he start from? Right in the beginning, Chicago.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Chicago, all the way to where?

SPEAKER_04 4:57

All the way to Santa Monica, California, right to the pier. Wow. Yeah. And he said, you know, he says it's it's weird. He says he doesn't know why, but when he got to the boardwalk, the Santa Monica boardwalk was 66Ns, he said he got a little bit emotional because he just finished this epic journey, you know. Wow. That's a trip I would love to do, man. I would love to do it.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Did he go through Radiator Springs?

SPEAKER_04 5:21

Radiator Springs. No, uh no, unfortunately, but there's plenty of other places that probably resemble it. But uh everybody I've talked to just says it's an it's an amazing trip, you know, so it's something that I would definitely like to do. It's on the it's on the bucket list. You know, we'd like to do that. Uh I spoke with um uh uh Woody from the Buffalo Chip. Not Woody, my the my little Woody. Of course I wouldn't talk to my channel.

SPEAKER_05 5:44

He's talking to him now.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

I wouldn't talk to my chip. But anyway, I talked to um uh Rod Woodruff of the Buffalo Chip in Sturgis. And he told us about what's going on up there and who's playing and who's performing and what every people can expect and all that stuff like that. So uh that was the list.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

Do you have the list in front of you?

SPEAKER_04 6:06

Who's playing?

unknown 6:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 6:07

I could I did I I didn't anticipate that question. Okay, then I thought you were just brought you brought it up. I brought it up. I brought up I brought up the interview. You brought up the who's playing.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

You said talked about who was coming there. Now wait a minute now. Am I wrong, guys?

SPEAKER_06 6:26

Am I wrong? No, he's 100% correct. All right, so uh, who's playing at the podcast work? You say something, then somebody else asks you things about it, and you come.

SPEAKER_04 6:37

All right, here's here's who's performing. Do you want me to start with the low? I'll start with the lower headlines and we'll work our way up. There's quite a few.

SPEAKER_06 6:43

There's a lot of hate to be the first one you list.

SPEAKER_04 6:46

What's that?

SPEAKER_06 6:47

I said I'd hate to be the first band you list. I'm gonna start with the guys that nobody gives a shit about. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_04 6:55

You're absolutely right. Right. Okay, DJ Julio.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Never heard of him.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

Tumbleweed.

SPEAKER_03 7:02

No.

SPEAKER_04 7:03

Jake Stringer.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

No.

SPEAKER_04 7:07

Rat Salad. That's a Black Sabbath tribute. Uh Konax.

SPEAKER_03 7:16

Is that a magician?

SPEAKER_04 7:17

No, it's a band. Yeah. Konax.

SPEAKER_03 7:18

Konax the Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Konax the basil dabble zelts you.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Or is he in an alien from another place? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

And uh another band coming up. Van Zeppelin. I guess you can imagine what they are. It's a Van Halen led Zeppelin tribute. I guess. Uh they have you guys you guys will probably know this, the Iron Maidens.

unknown 7:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Oh, yeah, I know them. Okay. They're the band I actually recognized.

SPEAKER_04 7:47

They're gonna be blind.

SPEAKER_03 7:48

All female Iron Maiden tribute.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

Yes, exactly. Uh, we've got Devin Warley Band. Never heard of them.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

No.

SPEAKER_04 7:56

How about Fuel?

SPEAKER_03 7:58

No, I've heard of that big.

SPEAKER_04 8:00

Okay, so they'll be playing. Uh Drowning Pool. Drowning Pool.

SPEAKER_03 8:04

Yes, they're another um mainstream band.

SPEAKER_04 8:07

Uh, another band called Still Running. Okay. Sounds gay. Sounds gay, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

Oh my god, you start doing it.

SPEAKER_04 8:16

Oh my god. Okay. Buck Cherry.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

They're big. They've been around for a long time.

SPEAKER_04 8:23

Uh Collective Soul.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

They've been around for a long time.

SPEAKER_04 8:27

Uh Hail Storm.

SPEAKER_03 8:29

I've heard of them.

SPEAKER_04 8:30

That's uh isn't that Lizzie Hale's thing? That is Lizzie Hale's band. Okay. Uh Country Star Lenny Wilson.

SPEAKER_06 8:37

Oh, she's big.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

Yeah, she's gonna be there. Um here's another one we all know and love, Cordell Winter. Uh I don't know. Yeah. Um Leonard Skinnard. Maybe we know those guys.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

Yeah, not there's not a single original band. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 8:57

I think there might be one guy.

SPEAKER_03 8:58

I don't think there's one guy left anymore.

SPEAKER_04 9:00

I know. Well, I know Ronnie Van Zent is still not not Johnny Van Zant, but Ronnie Van Zant's still the singer. So he's been around since And he's not even the original. He's not even the original. We know that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:10

Uh I hate when there's like one guy left in a band. It's like you gotta They become a tribute band at that point. Yeah, you gotta call it.

SPEAKER_04 9:18

Yeah, exactly. It's pretty much a tribute band. Um P.O.D.

SPEAKER_06 9:23

Oh yeah. POD I met the bass player uh from P.O.D. He was uh he was friends with one of the people that I worked with at Harley. Oh and he they were playing locally and he came in and he tested out a couple bikes.

SPEAKER_04 9:40

Oh, how about that? See? You got to meet a famous person.

unknown 9:44

Probably not.

SPEAKER_06 9:45

Cool guy.

SPEAKER_04 9:46

Cool guy. Uh Skillet. Yeah, I've heard of them. Yeah? Okay. I've all I live a lot of these I've only heard of because they're playing at Sturgis. That's the only way I've heard of them. Uh I've heard of this next band, and we I think we all have hairball. They're playing.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Is it come before or after cats? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:11

Uh we got uh Youngblood.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Oh, okay. I know him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:16

Apparently he's like the the latest and greatest thing since slice bread.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

No, he's huge, yeah. He played he played at the uh Oz uh Black Sabbath tribute. Uh Ozfest?

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Ozfest?

SPEAKER_03 10:27

Yeah, he did uh he gave he did that the song Changes, he fucking killed it.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Really?

SPEAKER_03 10:33

And that's what really really blew him up because uh now he's like super big.

SPEAKER_04 10:39

And it's which is funny, it's coming up to a couple other fun ones I thought was pretty interesting. Um they have uh BKFC. It's not a band. What that is bare knuckle fighting. They're having that week.

SPEAKER_06 10:54

I thought it was like it was like a mix between like Burger King and KFC.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

That sounds fun.

SPEAKER_06 11:02

Yeah, you get like a popcorn chicken sandwich, popcorn chicken whopper, and an EKG afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 11:10

I like that idea. Popcorn chicken whopper. That sounds really good.

SPEAKER_03 11:18

Um that would make a lot of money.

SPEAKER_04 11:21

Yeah, indeed. But bare knuckle fighting, man, that just sounds brutal.

SPEAKER_03 11:25

Yeah, that that's that's uh because of UFC over the past decades of that getting popular. Now that is starting to get popular in the past few years, bare knuckle fighting. I mean, who I mean. Who's UFC without gloves on? That's all it is.

SPEAKER_04 11:39

Right. Who volunteers for that? Yeah, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 11:42

I feel like going into a ring with my bare hands and trying to-you're not a tough guy. It's tough guys trying to prove them.

SPEAKER_04 11:49

I guess. You know, just let me try to beat the shit out of somebody else with my bare hands.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Isn't that what fighting is? All fighting is anyway.

SPEAKER_04 11:55

They're gonna try to beat the shit out of me with their bare hands.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

I'm gonna not all, but a lot of uh a lot of guys that don't fight with the UFC anymore went to bare knuckle fighting.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

That's crazy. What's crazy is bare knuckle fighting the same as UFC where it goes to the ground, or it's only boxing.

SPEAKER_04 12:09

No, it's I think it's only boxing.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

It's only barefing. Yeah, it's only it's only a bit it's only uh on the you're on the feet. You're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_04 12:16

That's just not the weirdest part of it, but it's also women are doing it. There's women bare knuckle fighting that happened. I just oh okay.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

You you do know there's women UFC fighters I do know that, and it just blows my mind.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

I just really I just you just I don't know. You know what?

SPEAKER_03 12:32

If you hear fighters talk, I've seen a lot of fighters say they prefer to fight bare knuckle because the the fight with a glove, it's it's something about the longevity with a glove. With bare knuckle fights, they don't last very long.

SPEAKER_04 12:46

I no shit. I don't think they would.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

You know, you get cracked a couple of times with fucking knuckles.

SPEAKER_04 12:53

Yeah, this guy, some of the guys goes I that's I'm done. I'm out, forget it. No. No, I'm done.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

I didn't like that one bit.

SPEAKER_06 13:00

No. Well you gotta you gotta understand too that like it's no different than anything else where it's like that's either something you're into or something you're not, and like there's no like you're either a brother or you're not, and like people who ride. Well, you don't get a bloody nose when you ride. I mean, there's people that ride that are like, oh yeah, I'll ride my bike the whole fucking like the Route 66, and then there's other people that are like, yeah, I get it, but I can't fucking wrap my head around it. And then you have people that are like, yeah, I'll fucking bare knuckle bra, and you're like, okay, I don't get it. It's like, you know, there's no seat, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 13:35

Yeah, I I guess.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

I I guess it brings up a good point because there's people that say that about us. We ride motorcycles, they people think we're crazy.

SPEAKER_04 13:42

Yeah, I know I get it. I I I get it, but you know, it's a little different, I think. I think all right, go moving back to the the bands. Um this I find really weird because now, as I mentioned, uh a band called Skillet is playing. Okay. Now we have another band called Big Skillet is playing.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Maybe it's kids from Skillet.

SPEAKER_04 14:06

I no, I don't know. It looks like three three older dudes, and I'm thinking, like, who booked this? Like it, you know, okay.

SPEAKER_06 14:10

It's their it's their father. Yeah, it's a reverse. It's their fathers.

SPEAKER_04 14:15

It's pinchacrylic and skillet. Yeah, it could be. Could be. Oh man. Uh, another band called New Damage. I guess the original, I guess damage is wasn't available, so they got a new damage. So they're playing. And uh the final two, uh, Megadeth.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Wow, that's big. That's big.

SPEAKER_04 14:48

And then a guy who should have stopped years ago, but still still thinks he's got it, David Lee Roth.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

Oh no. Yeah. I've seen the y I've seen the YouTube videos of him singing. Oh my god. It's not even singing. Somebody really has to do it, grab him and go, bro, you just can't anymore. I saw him so fucking horrible, man.

SPEAKER_06 15:09

Like some years ago, he did a reunion with Van Halen.

SPEAKER_04 15:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_06 15:15

And the first time around, I went to go see him, and it was good. You know what I mean? Like he was good, they were good. I was like, oh shit, you know, very pleasantly, you know, surprised and happy, and I enjoyed it. And then like two years later, they did it again, and I went and I was like, I don't know what the fuck happened in the last two years, but it was like night, it was brutal, it was tough. Like people were literally like cringing, and like it no, I like people didn't stay the whole time. Like it was bad.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

Oh wow. Yeah, right. Now was it the original lineup? David Loth, anyone held yada yada?

SPEAKER_06 15:55

Uh well uh Wolfgang was playing right here.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

Wow. He turned out to be a great guitar player. Yeah, his band is really good, though. He should check his band out. Doesn't he play bass Mammoth?

SPEAKER_02 16:07

No, he plays guitar.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

He plays guitar like his father. Yeah. But didn't he play? Oh no, he's like Van Halen, but he's a guitar player too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's really good too.

SPEAKER_06 16:19

He's like his fucking hope so, right? Yeah, no, you would hope. He definitely picked up from his father.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

Yeah, yeah. He's really good guitar player. You know, he was on uh he was on that uh Bayo show, uh Mato.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

Rick Mato, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

Yeah, and he just uh uh he played uh what was that eruption? Like like it was nothing. And and Beta was like, of course you can play that. You know, of course you can play that he made it look so fucking easy. Like he clearly was hanging around a father a lot.

SPEAKER_04 16:53

I mean, look let me look who you grew up around, right? Now I'm sure things weren't always like that because there was a few years where uh Eddie was not in a good way, you know.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Oh, he was he always had alcohol as a problem.

SPEAKER_04 17:11

Yeah, he was a he was a he had a problem. Um and if you anybody has ever listened to Sammy Hager's book, read uh or or read it, you'll you'll know what what I'm talking about. It was uh pretty brutal at some point. So uh but either way, anyway, getting back to uh motorcycle podcasters um and uh the last interview I did was with uh Graham Field. He just wrote his tenth book, and now that's out and available. Um so we we had a chit-chat. It's uh you know, so it was great. It was nice to talk to him. We talked for like an hour and a half, so it's good as that. And uh that's it for what's been going on over the past few weeks.

SPEAKER_06 17:51

With the exception of the new motorcycle men camper.

SPEAKER_04 17:55

With the motorcycle men camper, yes, I I got the camper. Yes, I I bought a camper. Uh I hate this called a camper, it's a travel trailer. Um 24 foot pioneer gray wolf. It's got a sleeping area, it's got a kitchen, it's got a dining area, it's got a bathroom. 24 feet long.

SPEAKER_06 18:17

It's got a place for JB to stay when it comes down there.

SPEAKER_04 18:20

It's got a place for JB to stay when it comes down, right? And yeah, I keep saying it. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna hook it up to electric to the house and all that on water, and I'm gonna Airbnb the thing until I use it.

SPEAKER_06 18:33

There you go. Yeah, why not?

SPEAKER_04 18:36

We'll we'll use it a few times.

SPEAKER_06 18:37

Put it on that uh what was that rent my couch thing that you did? The biker couch thing. Oh, what's it called?

SPEAKER_04 18:45

Bunker biker?

SPEAKER_06 18:46

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 18:47

Uh yeah, maybe that that's a possibility. That's a possibility. Uh well something to think about. Um and so yeah, you know, because I got it, we got it for uh for use with uh with our property we have about two hours from here. And the thought was that and I could tow it with my ranger, no problem. My ranger handles it perfectly, it's great. Alright, so I can tow it around. And I did some research and I can put the sportster in the back of the truck and go to a rally. If fucking called it, I called it. No, I'm not I'm not I'm not going to Sturgis this year.

SPEAKER_05 19:31

I'm not called I'm not, no, I'm not.

SPEAKER_04 19:33

I'm not September.

SPEAKER_05 19:34

September 1st. No, no, no, it's August. Oh, you still have a month.

SPEAKER_04 19:38

It's a couple weeks. It's a few weeks from now. But the thing is, what what I what I learned, um doing some doing some math and figuring things out, it would cost me roughly a thousand dollars just for fuel for the week for the duration of my of the trip. A thousand bucks. That's just for the truck. That doesn't include fuel for the bike.

SPEAKER_03 20:02

You know, so but a bike would be cheap compared to bike comparably, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:06

It's it's it would be cheap, but it would cost me a thousand bucks in fuel.

SPEAKER_03 20:09

Um you're adding weight to it and killing the uh the buy the uh gas pilot.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Yeah, the gas miles would go to shit. A thousand dollars for the truck and twelve dollars for the bike.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Yeah, exactly. Pretty much, yeah. Uh what I found out is that uh I would go from a highway mileage, I would go from twenty-five miles to the gallon, I would drop down to about twelve to fourteen.

SPEAKER_06 20:31

If you're going downhill with a wind behind you.

SPEAKER_04 20:33

Right, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, right. And uh, you know, I'll just a lot of things. And you know what? What I found towing this thing was it tracks great behind the truck. It's no swaying, no nothing. I got the sway bars and all that. It works great. But when a truck passes me a semi, I it's like as soon as the truck gets to where the back of the trailer is, that that wind that it's plowing through, just I could feel it, you could feel it like move the trailer around a little bit. It's so weird. It's a very weird feeling. But it's uh it's pretty cool. It's really neat.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

So how how does your truck do with that on going up a hill? Have you experienced that?

SPEAKER_04 21:18

It's no problem. You know, the the I I just noticed the uh V6 on it, right?

SPEAKER_03 21:23

There's not many hills around here.

SPEAKER_04 21:25

No, no. Uh no, it's not a V hill.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

No, but I'm saying, like if you go somewhere and there is a fucking hill.

SPEAKER_04 21:29

Oh, yeah, well, no, I well put it this way. Like like Tim said, there's no hills here, but the most hill of a hill that I had was if I was going over a bridge. And I went over a few. So just going up and over the bridge, I I could notice uh the pull difference.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

But your truck was straining a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 21:46

No, well, it just shifts a lot more. That's all. It would just shift a lot more. And I know I I don't have a V6 in that truck. I have a um twin turbo I4. Oof, really? But I've got a 72. Hundred pound towing capacity. Wow. So it's got the highest towing capacity of any mid-sized pickup truck.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

You can't fit your uh other bike in the I could f I could.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

I could fit it in the back. However, that puts it at the maximum almost over the uh payload that I can.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

Well, how much does that trailer weigh?

SPEAKER_04 22:22

Uh 4,400 pounds.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 22:24

My truck, believe it or not, my truck weighs 4,400 pounds. It's like there's like a difference of like maybe like 38 pounds. It's like 4,487 my truck weighs, and the trailer weighs 4450.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

So it's like the throwing capacity should be separate from all the witty. It is the truck.

SPEAKER_04 22:41

It is.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

So that means you got like 3,000 pounds worth of uh extra you could do.

SPEAKER_04 22:47

Possibly. Well, here's the thing. It's uh it also goes by what my cargo capacity is. Now I have a 1,600-pound cargo capacity uh with the truck.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

Because you know what you could do? You could put the sportster in the trailer and then your bigger bike in the back of the truck.

SPEAKER_04 23:05

Well, if there was a way to get the sportster in the trailer, that'd be a different story.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

Well, you just go up the stairs into the living room of the trailer.

SPEAKER_04 23:14

Yeah, not quite.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

It doesn't work that way.

SPEAKER_04 23:17

No, wouldn't that would not work. So but anyway, uh yeah, so uh it it's it's uh thought that I will uh maybe eventually uh next year, maybe we'll see. I just gotta save up money for gas. That's all, you know. If I'm gonna do something like that. Now, Crystal, if you wanted to go to Sturgis, all you'd have to do is uh find a way to get there, and then you have someplace to stay.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

No, I drive up to Jersey, pick him up and go.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

I couldn't take his bike though. Unless if he wants unless if he wants to ship his bike together.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Oh, you said you could you have a 7,800 pound towing capacity. Right. Your bike, the thing is only seven four hundred four thousand, you still got three thousand pounds more to go.

SPEAKER_04 23:59

No, no, no. Well, just because I can pull it doesn't mean I should. It's because you gotta stop that weight, too. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

Alright, fine.

SPEAKER_04 24:13

Well, now, if I were to find a bag of money and I upgrade to a F-150, then it's not a problem. Wouldn't you get a 350? Then you could pull a house. Oh shit. If I had a 350, are you kidding me? I could put I I could put uh put it. Uh I'm I don't know. I I've been toying with the idea maybe next year. I don't know. I I see the thing is I like my ranger. I really do. I like my ranger, you know.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

But if I it's a pretty impressive, I mean for a four-cylinder. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:47

I I like it a lot. I really do.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

Um it's a lot of weight to pull for a little engine like that.

SPEAKER_04 24:51

Um the little engine that could be good. Yeah. I mean, I've had this bike for uh this truck now for uh five years already.

SPEAKER_06 25:00

That's fucking crazy. Are you are you serious? Yeah, I've had it for five years, man. Jesus Christ, time flies.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

I know, right? So, you know, and it's funny, it's like uh you're talking about towing and stuff like that. I was looking at the F-150s and I did some more research. If I had the F-150, I would be able to put two bikes in the tail in the in the bed of the truck and be able to tow the trailer.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

So so there you go, Chris.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

We can go.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Why don't you be like a uh uh one of those trains, a truck train, and then tow something behind your trailer?

SPEAKER_04 25:36

Well, here's the thing I found out. It's funny you should say that because I was checking on that. They call it, you know, tandem towing. Now, there are some states that in the United States that permit tandem towing. And when I went out to Sturgis uh the last time in 2024, and when I went out in 2023, I would see a somebody with a big pickup truck, maybe an F maybe an F-150 or a 250, towing a travel trailer. And behind the travel trailer is another trailer with a motorcycle on it, or a box trailer, or a boat. And I was like, are you I would have never imagined I'd see that.

SPEAKER_06 26:12

So that it's probably legal by you, but it's illegal in New Jersey.

SPEAKER_04 26:16

No, it is illegal in New Jersey, and it's it's illegal in a lot of states, but it's by Pennsylvania. It's legal in some countries, uh, in countries, in some states. Um I I found out that you know North it's not legal in North Carolina.

SPEAKER_06 26:33

So it's not. I'm surprised.

SPEAKER_04 26:35

Tandem towing is not allowed. So it's it's just interesting. It's funny, uh I guess because when you get out to places like North Dakota and you'll you're in the Midwest, but there's nothing there. You know, all the interstates are wide open.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

So you'd have to map out all the states that allow you to do tandem towing.

SPEAKER_04 26:53

Right, it would take me like three weeks to get there. But I would feel uncomfortable towing something like that. Can you imagine? My God. Put a tow hitch on a trailer and then tow something behind the trailer. Oh my god, that'd be crazy. But I've seen it. I've seen it done, and like, no, thank you. But anyway.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

I want to see you back that thing up. I have. Yeah, wow. I got it. I got it. No, no, no. We're talking about a tandem. Oh, dude. Oh, tandem trailer.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

Tandem would be retarded.

SPEAKER_04 27:21

That would require some uh a lot of mental flaws going on there. I'd have to really like, okay, I'm turning right now. It's going left, but I have to make yeah, it it would it would make me go batshit crazy, I think. Probably doing that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Yes, I think so.

SPEAKER_04 27:36

Uh anyway. Um, should we do uh Bennett now? I just do Bennett now because I got a lot of stuff to talk about. Mostly, I'll tell you what.

SPEAKER_06 27:47

Why don't you do some Bennett now? Talk about break it up a little.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Break it up.

SPEAKER_06 27:54

Short commercial break, and it'll be right back. But you know what?

SPEAKER_04 27:56

I'll tell you what, let me get let me get into this is that uh the motorcycle podcasters challenge is in full swing. We're in week number two. And it's going good. Right now we have we have five teams uh competing, and we have 18 solo riders competing.

SPEAKER_06 28:17

In addition to the five teams?

SPEAKER_04 28:19

Yeah, yeah. There's five teams. It's a good turnout. Yeah, five teams. Well, we have five teams. Well, yeah, five teams. Uh three of the teams have six people, one team has five, and another team has four. So we got it. And then 18 in addition to that, or that's great. Yeah, we got a great turnout this year. Great. Uh like 45 people, 46 people. And everybody's getting out there right now. I mean, there's a lot of solos that haven't been out there yet, that haven't been out uh gathering points and what have you. But they're the I think right now I got like maybe uh let me see. I can look at the stats right now. I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Ten of the eighteen solo riders uh have been out uh taking their pictures and gathering up points. They're doing that. Uh of the teams, only one team has yet to get out and earn any points yet. But it's been very, very the teams have been very competitive. Very, very competitive this year. And they're uh yeah, it's um it's and it's you know what? What's cool is I and I hope everybody who's in the challenge realizes this and uh and acknowledges this for them, at least for themselves, is they're seeing some pretty cool shit out there. They're seeing I I bet you everybody is out there seeing stuff that they would have never otherwise noticed or or come across ever, intentionally or unintentionally. Because they're seeing, I mean, you're just they're just everybody's seeing things I I know I'm seeing things that I've never seen before, so it's a lot of interesting stuff people are coming across and taking pictures of. So it's pretty cool. Some people are having difficulty with uh taking the pictures. So anyway, but anyway, it's going really well. And uh, like I said, we're right in the middle of week two. And so we got a four-week challenge? No, it goes to the end of August.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 30:24

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SPEAKER_02 31:36

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SPEAKER_03 32:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 32:22

All right. I rode last week once. I haven't ridden very much because it has just been abysmally hot. But let's talk about what what does the heat do to your engine oil? Want a guy take a guess what heat does to your engine oil?

SPEAKER_02 32:35

It oils it.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

Pretty much close. Uh what happens is uh the motor oil, the heat changes everything about how your oil behaves, especially with these air-cooled engines. Your viscosity of your oil breaks down. Now, viscosity, you know what viscosity is? Yes, I just viscosity is the resistance to flow. Okay, it's measured in what they call centestokes. That's how it's measured, viscosity. Like for let's take, for example, your your SAE grade is like 2050. Right? That's which is most you'll put in your bike, for example. It tells you how the oil behaves in cold weather, the W. And at high temperatures, which is the 50. Got it? Now, at a hundred degrees Celsius or 212 degrees Fahrenheit, both conventional and synthetic, 2050, typically sit around 18 to 19 CST, which is the viscosity. That's typically where it is. Okay, when it's heated in your bike at 212 degrees. The viscosity.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Well, you didn't get you didn't give us the baseline, what it should be at that is the baseline.

SPEAKER_04 33:47

No, for basically can. Out of the can. Out of the can of the can.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

We need to know what it stands for before we know what the difference is.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

Alright, see now I have got I gotta ask. I gotta find out. Okay. Uh what is the I I'm gonna ask. Uh uh, yeah. But still, you should have had this.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Uh you gotta have a comparison.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

Uh 20W50. Uh the viscosity of 2050 out of the can is typically about 125 to 170 CST at 100 degrees. No, I'm sorry, take that back. At uh 40 degrees Celsius, which is about eight, which is about 80 degrees. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 34:27

80 degrees, right?

SPEAKER_04 34:28

About 80 degrees. Okay, so that's your viscosity, a 1205, 125 to 170. Now, that's what it is, right? Okay, there you go. Now that's normal operating temperatures. Now, with a, for example, let's take a uh for the oil. For the oil. That's for the oil. That's what your normal out of the can.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

Because I know that like say our V-twin motor, it's running. It's like in a mid-250s.

SPEAKER_04 34:56

Yeah, I haven't gotten it. I haven't gotten there yet. I mean, having haven't gotten it yet. But I'm saying out of the can, or in the can, however you want to talk about it, it's 125 to 170. Now, with your Milwaukee 8, you know, like those let's take the 117 uh Milwaukee 8, cruising oil temperature is between 230 and 260 degrees Fahrenheit. Now, on a hot day in traffic, you're looking at 270 to 300 degrees, and with regular heat temperatures included, now you're looking at 350 to 420 degrees temperature rise. Now, for our bikes, Chris likes to our bikes what we have. What kind of engine do you have in yours, Justin? What's in yours?

SPEAKER_06 35:41

I got the I got the 103.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

Uh okay, so that's the twin cam 103, right? Yep. Okay, now for our bikes, Chris, we have the twin cam 88. Our cruising temperatures is 200 to 230, the hot traffic is 240 to 260, and the head temps is 300 to 375. That's what the head temp is. Now, what heat does to conventional 20W50, once the water once the temp once the temperature exceeds 250 degrees, viscosity drops off fast. It thins from 18 to 19 CST down to about 12 to 14 CST at 260 to 280 degrees. That means, like like Justin said, it turns to water.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

Now this is right. That's why I'm switching to that oil that I told you about. I got um I in the hot weather like we have, I'm switching it to 2060 red line. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 36:39

I didn't I didn't know I didn't I didn't know Red Line made a 2060.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

Yeah, they made it 2060, and it's specifically designed for hot weather. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 36:48

I didn't know that. So now so now this is just conventional oils. Now that what this happens now is you have weaker oil film, lower oil pressure, more metal-to-metal contact, and faster oxidation, sludge, varnish, and deposits. What now, what do you think heat does to synthetic oil? I'll tell you. Synthetic oils resist thinning better due to uniform molecular structure.

SPEAKER_06 37:16

I think they're less susceptible to thermal breakdown.

SPEAKER_04 37:19

Okay. Now at 260 to 280 degrees Fahrenheit, synthetic oil 2050 may only drop to 15 to 17 versus the 12 to 14 that conventional wood. So it'll remain a little bit thicker. It'll be a little little more of a film strength, better pressure. Not much. So minimally. Do you guys notice when it's hot out that your bike performs worse?

SPEAKER_02 37:45

Not worse, but I I run for worse.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

Yeah. Yeah, me too. But my bike, it gets noisy.

SPEAKER_04 37:54

Yeah, yeah. Justin, do you notice that?

SPEAKER_06 37:58

It listen, an air-cooled motor definitely likes the cold air better.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

Oh, oh, 100%. Yeah. That cool weather yesterday, man. My bike loved it.

SPEAKER_04 38:08

Well. Now, what kind of oil do you use, Justin? Do you use synthetic or conventional?

SPEAKER_06 38:12

I always use synthetic. Okay. I use synthetic in my uh well, I let me backtrack. I use synthetic in all of my motors. So I use synthetic in my truck, and I use synthetic in my motorcycle for the engine. Right. But I use conventional for the transmission uh and the primary.

SPEAKER_04 38:34

Ah, okay. Alright. That's pretty cool. We're gonna talk about that too, because I I got I got numbers on that shit.

SPEAKER_06 38:42

I feel like a true I feel like a true gear oil is better. My personal take on it is that it's substituted for that rather than using like a sin three where you're basically taking one fluid and dumping it in all three. I just my brain can't. I I don't do that.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

No, I don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 39:06

Yeah, I mean Harley lives by, but I I'm starting to change my way because I've been thinking about matter of fact, I'm probably gonna do it. I'm gonna get gear oil for my primary. I mean, then again, I could put the red line uh 20 the 2060 in there because that's thick oil.

SPEAKER_04 39:24

Well, here's the thing. Here's what I what I noticed, and I made the switch many years ago when it came to uh transmission fluid. I switched over to the red line transmission fluid because I I like it better. It's it seems to work better, and it's pink. Why does that matter? You can freaking see it on the dipstick. That's why it matters to me. I just I just like it a lot better. I and if red line makes something for the primary case that's different from the transmission, different from the crankcase, I'm gonna use that. But right now I just use the send uh I use conventional in the bike during the summer months. Well, that's what I was doing, but after reading all this information, I just learned I'm gonna switch it over. But anyway, getting back to this stuff, now as far as it goes for oil treats, a lot of people think that what you can do is well you can supplement your oil by putting some sort of oil treatment in the oil, and that will help with heat resistance. Here's what they claim to do. They claim that they can increase film strength, they they claim that they can reduce friction, improve high temperature stability, reduce wear on startup, and clean varnish and sludge.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

Uh it's funny that you mentioned just all of that.

SPEAKER_04 40:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:37

Redline designed their their 2060 and literally said all those words you just said. All right. Well that's why they developed the 2060 because it's made for hot weather and it doesn't break down and it and it and it it gets rid of uh build up and all that shit. But it's a thicker oil. Like if I keep that in my bike year round, even in cold weather, that means I have to literally warm my bike up for 20 minutes because it's so thick.

SPEAKER_06 41:05

Not only that, but you you're making you're making it you're making the engine work harder, there's more resistance, and on top of that, you can end up with more wear on the engine components. You if you run a thicker oil in the summer, you have to swap it out if you're gonna ride in the cooler weather.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

Because it becomes like molasses in the wintertime.

SPEAKER_06 41:32

But the other on the other side of the coin, a lot of people like conventional motor oil because it's cheaper.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

Yeah, like to 1030 or 1040, right?

SPEAKER_06 41:40

No, I just mean conventional versus synthetic. No, it's just yeah, it definitely is definitely cheaper. But the reality is is if you get like if you sit on like a like say like the weather we had last week, and you get stuck in traffic and that shit absolutely cooks to the point where your motors like sitting banging and clanging and all that kind of shit. Yeah, you basically have to do an oil change, regardless of when you did one, because once that oil burns breaks down, yeah, it's done.

SPEAKER_04 42:11

Yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

Oh yeah. And it's gender's just regular lube. Way back in the water.

SPEAKER_04 42:19

It may as well be WD-40 at that point. Right. Uh one I can remember one year when I was commuting back and forth to work to North Jersey there, uh, I was stuck in traffic for so long that I actually had to pull over and just sit on the shoulder of the road for a good half hour, maybe 40 minutes, and let the bike cool down a little bit. That's how bad it was. But getting back to this with the uh, like, for example, oil treatments and things like that for your detergents and your cleaning additives, uh like sea foam and Marvel mystery oil, they help dissolve varnish and sludge and they can clean sticky rings, but they thin the oil slightly. So in extreme heat.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

What slightly though?

SPEAKER_04 43:01

It just it's um it's like adding water to a milkshake. All right, it's gonna thin it a little bit. So so in extreme heat, thinning is the last thing you want, obviously. So it's not recommended for high-temp summer riding in air-cooled engines. Now, viscosity modifiers and stabilizers, which do exist, for example, like Lucas Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer. Now they increase viscosity, they improve film strength, they reduce oil consumption, but they can make the oil too thick for startup. And they can interfere with engineering additive packages. So the better solution there is to use a high quality synthetic 20W50 instead of instead of trying to fix conventional oil. And then we have anti-wear additives like Z D P boosters. Uh examples of that would be uh A product called ZDDP Plus Redline Break-in additive. That's a couple of things. Oh, red line, there you go. Yeah. They add zinc and phosphorus for high pressure protection. Useful for older flat tappet engines. Modern Harley engines already have proper additive levels, so you don't have to worry about it there. Adding more can disrupt the oil chemistry, making it problematic for you. And it's not needed unless if you're running an older EVO or shovel head. Since we don't have that, we're good. Bottom line on oil treatments is synthetic oil already contains engineered additives designed for high heat. Adding aftermarket treatments often reduces the oil's ability to protect under extreme temperatures. Now for a like a 117 or an 88 cubic inch engine, the best treatment is simply high-quality, synthetic 20W50, regular oil changes, having a proper oil level, and good airflow, which basically just requires you to keep moving, basically. What do you guys think about fuel treatments? Do you guys use them?

SPEAKER_03 45:09

Yeah, I use a uh bright blue uh stuff. Startron? Maybe, yeah. You pick you pick it up in auto zone uh Startron. Yeah, I think so. That's that's really good. My bike likes it when I put it in.

SPEAKER_06 45:23

I don't use fuel treatments unless uh I need to boost the octane. Like if for some reason I think I'm gonna get another ride in the season, I have a bunch of fuel in the tank, I don't end up doing a stabilizer, and then it like ends up sitting over the winter.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:43

I will put something like that in to basically try and bring the octane rating back up so that I'm not hanging my motor. Uh other than that, I mean I don't use a fuel treatment when I'm running the bike regularly.

SPEAKER_04 45:57

No, that's that's interesting. That's interesting. But what what fuel treatments claim that they do is they clean injectors, stabilize the fuel, improve combustion, and prevent ethanol-related issues. What actually matters in extreme heat, heat affects fuel by increasing vaporization, raising the chance of vapor lock, reducing fuel density, and making ethanol blends more volatile. That's what they do in extreme heat. Now, what fuel treatments can do that help, the like the injector cleaners, like like you just mentioned, Tektron and Redline SL1. They keep injectors clean, they improve spray pattern, and help maintain power in hot weather. Useful, but they're not heat specific. And you want something that's going to be heat specific. Number two, what you would probably want to do instead, if you're going to be riding in hot heat, hot heat. Well, hot heat is a problem, right?

unknown 46:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 46:55

Guys aren't even paying attention to cracking. Better than cold heat. Better than cold heat. Uh ethanol stabilizers like Startron or Stable 360. Uh, they reduce phase separation, improve volatility control, help prevent vapor lock, and help full under extreme heat, especially with E10 fuels. And you should not be using ETE E10 fuels anyway, because that's just stupid for one.

SPEAKER_03 47:20

I found it. Would you say, Justin? Startron?

SPEAKER_04 47:23

Yeah, Startron, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:24

Yeah, that's the one I use, Startron, enzyme fuel treatment.

SPEAKER_04 47:28

Octane boosters can help prevent knock in hot weather, but most are weak and temporary. So better solution is use a higher octane fuel if your engine needs it. Now, few treat fuel treatments that don't work at all or don't help are power boosters, mileage enhancers, anything claiming horsepower gains, and anything with vague friction modifiers listed. So don't even bother with those. The bottom line of fuel treatments is they don't protect your engine from heat, but they can help maintain smooth running in hot weather.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

What do you mean? Some marketing, they lie to you? No. No, they wouldn't do that. I don't believe that happens.

SPEAKER_04 48:11

Ethanol stabilizers are most useful in summer. False news. Yeah, right. False news. Injector cleaners are good maintenance. Octane boosters are mostly unnecessary. So don't even bother with that. Now, uh oil treatments do put do they protect against heat damage? What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_03 48:29

Do they protect I never I've never used them.

SPEAKER_04 48:31

Okay. Oil treatments do not significantly protect against heat damage. They can disrupt oil engineering chemistry. They can thin or thicken oil in ways that reduce protection. The best solution is use synthetic oil fuel. Okay, that's it. That's the best treatments. For fuel treatments, they do not protect against heat damage, but they can improve uh hot weather running, they can reduce vapor lock risk, and can help ethanol behave better in high temperatures. But the real protection from heat, anything in heat related, comes from synthetic oil, your proper oil level, uh cool uh clean your cooling fans. Well, your cooling fins, I mean. Uh and who has dirty cooling fins? I I don't. I mean, do you guys use your cooling fins get dirty?

SPEAKER_03 49:23

I uh it's funny you mentioned that because the front of my fins are still kind of dirty from when the head gasket was leaking.

SPEAKER_04 49:29

Oh Jesus, you still haven't cleaned them yet? No. Well, do that. Uh your correct tire pressure and healthy battery, good airflow.

SPEAKER_03 49:38

That's taken care of all the time.

SPEAKER_04 49:39

Oh, yeah. Good airflow and hydrated rider. Those are the best things. Um now some uh as far as it goes for fuel under the. I wonder if there's a Miller Light. Miller Light. Uh uh sweet tea.

SPEAKER_02 50:00

Rolling rock.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

Oh my god, rolling rock. I haven't heard that in years, man. I don't know. I don't drink beer, so I wouldn't know. But uh you guys ever heard of Marvel Mystery Oil?

SPEAKER_02 50:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:16

Yeah. You guys do you use it? Never okay.

SPEAKER_06 50:20

I've used it. I don't it's not like something that I use regularly, but I've used it uh I've used it when I've had motors that are apart.

SPEAKER_03 50:33

Yeah. Oh you you're an expert at that.

SPEAKER_06 50:35

Before I put stuff back together. Um I have used it on certain motors uh that I was having issues with, mainly car motor. I think the only time I ever used it on a bike.

SPEAKER_04 50:53

Uh it was a pistonless motor, right?

SPEAKER_02 50:57

I have pistons now. You know you're not gonna live. You're just gonna have a motor to put it in.

SPEAKER_06 51:03

You know you're not gonna live that down, right? I can't believe I lost those fucking things.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Have you did you ever finish that bike at all?

SPEAKER_06 51:11

I mean, the pistons are in.

SPEAKER_04 51:13

Nope.

SPEAKER_06 51:14

That's a start. Wow. I wasn't running the risk of losing those motherfuckers again. I'm gonna put them in first and then again.

SPEAKER_04 51:22

Oh my god. Well, hey, well, Marvel Mystery Oil, I learned about it uh probably about 10 years ago. And I said, wow, this stuff is now Marvel Mystery Oil is one of those products that writers either uh swear by, swear by it, or swear at it. It's one of the it's it's been it's been around forever. And it has this reputation of being this like this miracle fix for everything. Um but here's what it actually does, and here's what it doesn't do, okay? Uh it's what they call a Marvel Mystery Oil, or MMO. Uh it's a detergent and light oil additive, uh, meaning it's designed to clean varnish and deposits inside the engine, free sticky rings, clean injectors and carburetors.

SPEAKER_02 52:05

All that stuff it cleans gets into the engine and pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:09

Uh clean injectors and carburetor passages improve fuel system lubrication, especially in older carbureted bikes, thins oil slightly when added to crankcase oil, and reduce carbon buildup over time. It's basically a mild cleaner and uh an upper cylinder lubricant, all right?

SPEAKER_02 52:30

Like I'm saying, does it dissolve that stuff or does it like loosen it and have it floating around inside the engine?

SPEAKER_04 52:37

Uh well, it mixes with your your oil and mixes with your fuel. That's what it does. It just mixes it.

SPEAKER_02 52:43

It's like the contaminants off the side and putting it in the oil and sending it through the old old motor.

SPEAKER_04 52:50

Well, maybe, yeah, kind of. That's what it sounds like. But what what here's all I I now I use Marvel Mystery Oil. Every time I do a fill-up, I fill up my tank with gas, and every time I do an oil change, I'll add a little bit of Marvel Mystery Oil to the gas. I'll add a little bit to the oil. And I've been doing this.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Do you feel that it helps?

SPEAKER_04 53:12

Uh I think it does because my bike runs like a clock, man. I just have no trouble with it. And I can tell you this, remember when I had my um camchain tensioner issue? I had the engine apart, right? Had it completely apart. The inside of that bike was it the at that engine was spotless. It was clean. I I I was amazed. I thought I was gonna see all kinds of charring, whatever on the heads, like uh on the on the pistons, on the valves. I thought I was gonna see all kinds of mess. It was like it was brand new inside. And I chalked that up to using Marvel Miracle Oil. I just I I have no other explanation for it. So, but anyway, what Marvel Miracle Oil does not do is it does not increase high temperature oil stability. Uh, it does not improve viscosity retention, it doesn't add a meaningful anti-wear protection to it. It protects against heat-related oil breakdown, uh, strengthen film thickness, or help synthetic oil perform better. In fact, because it's a light oil, adding it to your crankcase reduces viscosity, which is the opposite of what you want in extreme heat. So I can't say one way or the other if it's been bad. Because in my experience, I've had nothing but good I've nothing but a good experience with the stuff since I've been using it. Uh do I rely on it? No, I don't, of course not. Um because I know that it won't protect my engine from heat, and I know that even during high temperatures the oil's gonna break down regardless of what I'm using. But anyway. Uh stable, if you use anybody uses stable, I use stable in the winter months if I'm not gonna be riding the bike a lot. I'll put that stable stable 360 or stable storage. I'll put that in the gas. Uh it's great stuff. I'll put that in the tanks of the of my lawn mowers, of my uh lawn tractors, I'll put the that stuff in the gas. It does wonderful stuff. It helps keep that like my my Sportster, for example, uh it's got a carburetor, man. If you don't move that thing, if you don't start it and run it, it's gonna get shit up just sitting still. It definitely will. So uh always use stable. But what it stable doesn't do, it doesn't protect your engine from heat, it does it doesn't improve oil viscosity, uh, it doesn't reduce engine temperature, and it doesn't provide any anti-wear protection or prevent heat-related engine damage. Uh it just mostly just stabilizes your fuel, prevents ethanol phase separation, and it also pre reduces corrosion in the fuel system and reduces vapor lock risk and keeps your injectures and a fuel pump clear. So these are the things you need to do for your bike. Uh stable and heat protection. Now stable helps uh fuel behave a little better in the heat. This heat well, I mean let me talk about our fuel is the other thing that nobody ever considers when you're talking about heat. Because what happens to your fuel, your fuel vol volatility increases in hot temperatures, obviously, because it's gas. That's heat. Um one of the things that a lot of people don't know is that on a 95 to 105 degree day, fuel in the tank can easily reach 120 to 140 degrees inside your tank. Especially if you have a black tank and you're sitting it in the sun. So you know that it's affecting your bike if you're you got a rough idol after it's been sitting, uh hard starting, hesitation when pulling away from the traffic light or starting, uh a light slight loss of power, and you're smelling fuel from the tank vent.

SPEAKER_03 57:02

Hey Ted, go into the uh chat, hit the chat button on your screen real and see the bike that I've just put in there.

SPEAKER_04 57:08

Yeah. 2060 motorcycle oil from Redline.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

Wow. That's the one I was about talking about.

SPEAKER_04 57:17

This is crazy, man. It's $22.49 a quart.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

Yeah, it's expensive. Holy shit. See the first uh sentence on that?

SPEAKER_04 57:25

Recommended for V-twins that need more viscosity due to operation in extreme hot climates. There you go. Popular for Evo's and twin cam engines with big bore kits, stroker kits, or issues with valve train noise. Wow. I may have to try this stuff. That's cool. Thanks for the I'm gonna put the link in the show notes on this. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 57:47

I've used it before and I liked it. It worked. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:52

Uh getting back to the fuel thing. Uh one of the things that we had noticed in fuel, especially if you're in the north, if you're in like New Jersey, New York, well, I don't know, but I can't say upstate New York, because upstate New York does uh does provide ethanol-free fuels. But if you're in an area that does not provide ethanol-free fuels, most gas at pumps is E10, which is 10% ethanol. Now ethanol's pros and cons, it burns cleaner, it helps octane, keeps injectors cleaner. But its cons, especially in heat, ethanol absorbs moisture, which creates the phase separation. More prone to vapor lock, more corrosive when hot, more volatile, it expands more in the tank and can cause hot weather hard starts. So vaporlock is the hot weather enemy. You guys know what vaporlock is? Yep. Used to get it in my car. Really? You used to get that in your car?

SPEAKER_02 58:48

My older car. It's not now, but an older car.

SPEAKER_04 58:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

I'd take the gas cap off.

SPEAKER_04 58:53

Oh shit. Well, for those who don't know, vaporlock is when the fuel boils in the lines or in the pump. Yes, your fuel boils. Now fuel can boil at temperatures as low as 140 degrees to 180 degrees, depending upon the blend. Uh some of the symptoms of fuel boiling is bike stalls after sitting in traffic, hard restarts, feels like it's running out of gas or surging or stumbling. Why it happens? Because the fuel pump gets heat soaked, lines near the engine uh or the exhaust get too hot, the ethanol vaporizes faster, and tank pressure increases. Uh one of the other things you have to that you recommend during hot weather is you don't fill your fuel tank all the way up to the top. Yeah. You do that?

SPEAKER_03 59:41

I did that once, and that's when I uh fucking I I came home. I told you this happened to me. I came home, shut the bike off, and it was the my bike was pissing out of the uh the line, the uh what do they call that line?

SPEAKER_04 59:57

The overflow.

SPEAKER_03 59:58

The the uh I guess the overflow or the uh yeah, the line by the front of the bike, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:04

By the tank.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:04

Yeah, yeah, I know you mean literally pissing like a nice steady stream. It was pissing out of the bike. Wow. That's when I this that's when I learned that that that hose had dry rot. Wow, no shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:19

Uh on a hundred degree day, fuel density can drop enough to reduce power by one to three percent. Not huge, but you'll feel it. Um hot air density drops. Uh hot air and hot air intake reduces power. Uh the air density drops with the temperature too. At 100 degrees Fahrenheit, air density is about 7 to 8% lower than at 60 degrees. Less air, less dense air equals less oxygen equals less power. Now, when you combine hot air plus hot fuel and a hot engine, you'll get sluggish performance.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:56

Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:58

Now, do fuel treatments help that? Do you think? What's your thoughts? Do fuel treatments help that?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

What I just mentioned about the marketing, you know, a lot of these companies lie. They'll lie to you. They fucking lie to you. Uh and a lot of the marketing is as bad as like, you know, add 12 inches to your cock in two days, you know. Okay, get the fuck out of here. Any fucking anybody that makes a pill that can actually do that will make trillions.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:28

That's funny. Um actually, um fuel treatments that do help in the heat are stable 360, Startron, and ethanol stabilizers. They reduce phase separation, they improve volatility control, they help prevent vapor lock, and reduce corrosion in hot fuel systems. Injector cleaners like Tektron and uh Red Line SL1 keep spray patterns consistent and help maintain smooth running and heat. What treatments that do not help are octane boosters, anything boost, anything that's power boosters or mileage enhancers, or anything claiming horsepower gains. They they they're lying. They don't work. Yeah. So there you go. Always use fresh fuel. Always top off. Avoid topping off to the brim because fuel, as you know, expands. Always park in the shade. Open the cap briefly after a hot ride to release some of the vapor and consider ethanol-free fuels if available.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:28

Put something wide under your kickstand on a hot day.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:31

Yes. What'd you say? Put something what? Wide under your kickstand.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:37

Like if you got a kick, yeah, if you got a kickstand puck, use it, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:40

I do. I have the uh I have the round one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:45

Who who here has had their kickstand sink into the asphalt?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:50

Mine almost became a fucking statue in the parking lot of the great notch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:55

No shit, really.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:56

Yeah, they had like just paved the parking lot and we were there, and it was like a super hot day. When I came out, it was like curled over my fucking kickstand.

unknown 1:03:06

Oh.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:07

It was like still soft enough that I could get it, but yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:11

When I went out to uh Sturgis in 2023, I was on uh US US Route 20 in Nebraska. And there was, believe it or not, there was road construction and I had a stop. So we were sitting still. They had one of these guys there with the stop sign standing there, and he had to wait. You have to just stay there and wait. And everybody had their cars off, people were walking around. So I got off the bike, I put it on the stand. It was freaking hot, first of all, and I went over and talked to the dude. When I came back to my bike, like just like you said, Justin, the my kickstand was sinking into the asphalt. Yeah, so I didn't think to use the puck, because you know, who thinks that you're gonna need that? But yeah, if you can, uh if you're gonna be parking on hot asphalt, by all means use that. Let's talk about how what the heat does to your primary and transmission fluids. Nobody ever thinks about those two fluids, but they do. Uh fluids expand at 200 to 250 degrees. So that stresses your seals. Uh film strength drops. Took you a while to get there. Film strength drops, clutch drags, and rough shifting, additives break down, varnish on clutch plates and gears. So when you get that, how does your clutch feel uh compared to like on a cool day? Do you guys ever run across rough shifting on hot days? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:40

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:41

It's not clunky, not clunkier, clunkier than usual.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

I've harleys are clunky to begin with, so it's hard to tell.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:48

Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:49

Yeah, I always people that don't know Harleys are like, Jesus Christ, your bike shifts loud. And I'm like, that's a Harley. Yeah, that's you can hear it.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:56

It's the way it's supposed to be, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:58

You can hear when it shifts gears.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:03

Now, how do you think the heat affects your tires?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:06

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:07

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:07

Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:09

Yeah, that's right. Uh a tire.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:12

That's why it pays not to buy cheap tires and buy good tires. I buy Michigan Commanders, and uh they seem to do fantastic and they deal with the and I didn't do much research, but they they really when they designed those tires, they put them through the fucking ringer. Oh yeah. Man, they they do some unholy shit to those tires, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:34

I just put new tires on mine. It was a thousand dollars. Yeah, they're expensive for tires.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:41

Now, when a tire is set to thirty six uh PSI at seventy degrees, uh the PSI will increase two to four PSI once the temperature hits 120 degrees on the pavement.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:57

Which is instantaneous. Which is instantaneous.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

Right? So pavement temps of 120 to 150 soften the rubber. Uh it'll give you more grip, but it'll also create faster wear and potential blistering on your tires. Now, so you don't want to overinflate your tires. Keep them if it says 36, keep I mean I'm my tires say 40. So I'm running 36 on the front and usually 35, 34.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:25

Yeah, I run I run 36 front, 38 rear.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:29

Oh, really? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:31

And I I tell you, like, there's some guys out there, they they just they they won't give a mile. They they literally say, what it says on a tire. If it says 40, then you put 40. I'm like, no. No, no, no. Because then then then there's gonna be like the temperature change thing. You do that, then your tires can overinflate.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:52

Yeah. Oh, but you know what? I sorry, I was wrong before. I do 36 in the back and 38 in the front. That's what I do.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:58

Oh, you're a saucy, man. I'm saucy. Saucy. Very saucy.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:04

Not only does the heat of.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:05

What about you, uh Justin? What do you run?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:09

For for what? My uh pressure.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:12

Your tire pressure.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:13

Oh, my tire pressure? Jesus Christ. Uh 3638. Okay. Okay, same as me. Uh no. 36.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:26

36 back? 36 rear or 36 front?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:29

No, 36 front, definitely. Unless you you run into the back. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:36

Oh, we stumped him. How about that? Run out to your bike right now and find out.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:43

Justin, did we lose you?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:46

He's not here. He left.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:48

Uh-oh. He must have crashed again.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:49

He couldn't stand all the hot air.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:51

Apparently not. But one of the other things that we lost Justin. Yeah, one of the other things that we don't consider also with heat is your battery and wiring and the electronics in the bike. A lot of people don't consider those things. But as I have experienced, well, I should say our friend Larry Marshall has experience with this, with heat, is that uh the digital displays that are on some of the uh the newer bikes they have a tendency to fail when the temperatures get too high. Now in Sturgis 2024, we had temperatures of 106 degrees out on the interstate. That's the air temperature. And when the temperature is like that, uh Larry lost half his display on the way out. He's back. Wow. Are you there?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:40

Hey.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:42

I don't know why this thing keeps dropping out.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:44

Ah, well, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:46

I know we were having a good conversation and you left.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:48

I either I either do 3630 or 3640, to be honest with you. I just did my tires the other day, too, and I can't remember what I did.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:56

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:56

Okay, yeah, that's that's on warmth.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:58

That's good. That's about it. But we just started talking about how the heat affects your battery and your wiring and your electronics.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:06

Uh just now in uh in the warm weather, which is really not needed, is is it better? Is it still okay to plug your bike in like uh with a uh battery tender?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:19

Absolutely, why not? Yeah, I'm my bikes are plugged in all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:22

Because it got so hot like those days that we had a few days ago, I actually took the battery tender and brought it inside because it was so fucking hot.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:31

Oh, it was really well yours and yours is outside. Yours is outside, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:34

Yeah, but I had it under a cover, but it was still fucking on fire. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:39

Now, uh here's something we uh I didn't something I didn't know that I just learned. Under the seat temperatures, now if if if you own Harley Davidson, most bikes that's where the battery is. It's underneath the seat. That's where the bulk of your wiring connectors are happening right there. Under the seat temperatures can reach 140 to 160 degrees Fahrenheit. Alright, that's crazy hot. And if you recall when I went to Sturgis my first time, one of my wires melted underneath the seat and my brake lights were went out. So you gotta be careful, things like that. So not only that, but with your battery, electrolyte evaporates, plates warp, and capacity drops in your batteries under the heat. Insulation on your wire softens or melts and shorts, and you'll get intermittent faults, as I have learned. So if you have a way to ventilate underneath your seat somehow, get some air flowing through there, by all means do it, especially in these hot summer days. Now, as far as it goes for your electronics, like I was explaining before, you weren't here, Justin. But uh our friend Larry Marshall he has had uh he's got an Indian. He's had uh he's had repeat uh instances where his display on his uh console would go out. Half of it would disappear if it got too hot.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:00

So that's difficult.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:01

Yeah, that's something you had to be crazy about because uh AC AC L C D screens displays start failing around 120 to 140 degrees.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:12

Yeah, you're our computer screens would do the same thing. If it got too hot, they things would literally shut off.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:17

Now the fact that Larry had his display start to fail at 106 degrees says a little something about the technology itself. I I personally I don't I don't like the big displays on bikes. I think that's kind of a different thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:32

They're probably all LED too.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:34

They are. They're all LED, but they you know, they shouldn't fail, but they do. Some of the other things that the you'll see with that with these screens, like you'll get like this ghosting effect in the screens. Or the sc or the display itself will start to get darker. And as you know, even with computers, with with the it with uh even with like a laptop, you probably have seen this, Chris. If a laptop starts getting too hot, the refresh rate of the screen starts to go to crap.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:00

Yeah, go right down the toilet.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:01

It just goes down the toilet, and it just doesn't won't refresh at all. So the best you can do in that case is get off the road and get in some shade, let the bike cool down. That's the best thing you can do for it. But the one main thing that we have to focus on also with our bikes is us as the rider. So, because we if because if we're not functioning, the bike's not gonna function.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:26

What kind of oil do you take?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:28

What kind of oil do you take? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:30

Miller Lide.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:30

Miller Lide. There you go, baby.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:33

Um Dunkin' Donuts.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:36

That's it. You're right. You're absolutely right. Yeah, you get at Hooters. What's well, what do I drink?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:49

Coffee.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:50

Oh, coffee. Um, if if I'm if I'm gonna have coffee, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to the Dunkin' Donuts. It'll take me there's one here in town. It's in inside the Walmart. And I hate that because I don't want to go into Walmart to go to a Dunkin' Donuts. That that just bothers the city. Yeah, they have that here too. That's just I find that to be in a word, it's fucking stupid. But you know, uh, but either that or I'll drive the 20, 25 minutes to get to the nearest Dunk of Donuts, either in South Carolina or a little further north. Uh but yeah, that's what I'll do. You know, but or I'll just go grab myself a milkshake or something. Um now, heat and humidity riding, riding in 90 to 105 degrees with humidity, your sweat doesn't evaporate, your core temperature rises, and your relaxion your reaction time slows. So you got to stay cool, you got to stay hydrated. So you guys gotta ride with water that's wet with you. Uh symptoms with heat exhaustion worsen as the core temperature approaches 103 to 104. So if your body temperature, if your core is 103 to 4 degrees, of course, nobody travels with a thermometer to check, uh, you're in trouble. So it's best to wear mesh jackets and moisture wicking layers and carry a hydration pack if you have water. I like to use my hydration pack. It's a little inconvenient to have that weight on your back, but after a while you just won't notice it. Uh and pre-hydrate before you go out. Drink a lot of water before you go out. Uh plan for stops at shaded areas and avoid here. This is gonna be tough for all of us. Avoid heavy meals. Right?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:35

I make no promises.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:38

It's true. Um and that's pretty much it. You know, so if you're gonna go out and ride, you got your air-cooled engine out there, um make sure you got good oil in there, and you know, just ride right and be safe and all that. Uh fresh oil, primary transfusion, make sure everything's checked, make sure your tire pressures are good, and inspect your battery wiring and all that. And uh make sure you keep your electronics shaded and make sure you're hydrated and ready. Anything else you guys feel like adding to that? No.

unknown 1:15:14

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:14

I'm gonna say you pretty much hit it.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:17

I I I hope I did, and I hope it I hope it was useful information for everyone.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:23

I think so. You know.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:25

But it just comes down to paying attention and meaning what now for those of you who have an uh a water-cooled engine, I'm sure it's different for you. It's a hundred percent different. It's night and day. So now you now you gotta now you gotta think about your.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:51

No, they have an oil cooler.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:52

They have an oil cooler, we know that.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:54

Well, no, no, no. They have the the the ones that have bearing lowers have liquid-cooled heads.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:05

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:06

So they basically cool around the exhaust ports only. Or the the valves, you know, depending on how you want to look at it. But like, it's not a true liquid-cooled motor, and that's not all of the models. So that would be like if you had like a limited interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:25

What about a Fapway?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:27

Well, see now oil coolers uh apparently carry 30 to 40 percent of the engine's heat load. So if you get an oil, if you if you have you can get an aftermarket oil cooler for your bike. That's it's a pretty cool idea, actually, to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:40

Well, yeah, because some like like the customers saying, some of the some of the Harley models, you'll see what looks like a radiator on the front of the bike. That's an that's the oil.

unknown 1:16:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:50

But here's the thing about an oil cooler. Oh, let's hear it. So it doesn't do much for you unless you're moving.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:00

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:01

So the thing is is the biggest time that you run into an issue with your bike getting too hot on an air-cooled motor is when you're not moving. Correct. Having an oil cooler, which relies on air cooling just the same as your motor does, all you're doing is really carrying more oil because at the time, when you're not moving, yes, it's giving it an opportunity for some heat to be rejected, but it's so the ambient temperature around your motor at that point between what's coming off of the road and what's coming off of your motor, is so hot, it's basically just got hot air passing through those coils.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:51

So, like it's it's not it works and it doesn't work, basically what you're saying. It'll help it it'll help you a little bit when you're moving.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:01

So it gives you a little bit more of a fighting chance, probably by a couple degrees before you stop. But once you're stopped, it's not really doing shit for you.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:12

Well, in in this particular document that I have, when oil coolers don't help, when you ride mostly in cold weather, because then it does nothing for you, uh, you do short trips, oil never gets hot enough. Uh, you have a liquid-cooled motor, the cooler them uh is mounted in a low airflow location, or you buy a cheap cooler that with poor fin density. So and and of course, if you're stuck in traffic. So that that's why they don't work.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:42

What if you put a big hunk of cube of ice in front of it so it just sticks in the cold?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:46

That'll last about a half hour. Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:53

A little a little ice button in there. It'll be so cold as soon as it touches the hot engine, your engine block cracks in half. Oh shit, that would suck, man. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:02

But yeah, I just you know, I I learned a lot about this stuff when I when I was doing some research on it. I learned a lot. And it's gonna it'll it'll I'll probably change some things in the way uh I do some things with the bike. That's for sure. I'm gonna I my always my mindset was always, and maybe this is uh naivety, I don't know, but uh my mindset was always conventional oil is thicker than synthetic, so thicker should be better. And as it turns out, it's not.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:33

So well it's gotta be the i i it you're kind of a little right, like the red line talk about. Yeah, you gotta it's gotta be designed for it. Yeah, because it's still a synthetic. It's just the way they designed it for uh high heat.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:48

Right, exactly. So, yeah, there you go. I'll be uh changing over to a synthetic oil very soon. It's not time for an oil change yet, but I'll probably get that.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:58

Um is the cheapest insurance that you can buy for your bike or your truck or your boat, or you name it if it takes oil. Oil is the cheapest insurance that you can buy uh to ensure longevity. Uh, you know, it becomes a pay me now, pay me later. All the money that you try and save by either buying shit oil or cheap oil or delaying the frequency that you do it is just stuff that you're paying for down the road.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:34

Yeah, it eventually comes back and bites you in the ass. That's what a boss is.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:37

100% it does. Oh, yeah. You know, I would rather do more frequent, more expensive oil changes and then basically be limited to, for argument's sake, that. I mean, my road king, I've used synthetic since the day I got it. I change it religiously, and I've basically only ever had to do tires and brakes on that bike.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:13

Oh, I'll see there you go. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:17

Yeah, I honestly I have to be better with changing oil on my bike.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:21

Well, you gotta do it on your cars, too. Don't forget. Yeah. I do mine once a year.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:27

Once a year?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:28

Mm-hmm.

unknown 1:21:29

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:30

Okay. I haven't uh I've haven't.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:33

And our trucks then take seven quarts of oil. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:36

That's a lot. That's a crazy amount of oil, man. That's a crazy amount of big V8, that's why.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:41

That's just how's that truck treating you, by the way? So far, so good if I'm not fucking it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:48

What'd you do now?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:50

I I told you. I turned into an Asian woman and backed into a fucking yellow pole at Dollar General. Oh, that's right. Fucking um, I can't believe I did that. I'm so fucking appalled at myself.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:02

Did how did any damage happen tonight?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:05

Oh, yeah. I fucked the back uh passenger side light up the fucking panel, everything. I cracked that pole good, man, like it was fucking owed me money.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:17

Gas is too expensive to back out of parking spots that fast.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:22

You know, fucking unreal. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:24

What kind of old did you use? Drive slow flow. Drive slow, crash flow. Drive slow, crash flow. Yeah, that's that's good advice, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:34

Oh, that's too funny, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:35

That's better than the other advice that I have, which is back up till it sounds expensive.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:40

Back up until it sounds expensive?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:42

Yeah. Yeah, that's the one I did. I did that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:49

Wow. We don't want to do that at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:55

And then hot, hot, quick fix. Uh uh extra strength, uh, clear packing tape is wonderful for putting everything back together.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:06

Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:07

It works. So you're gonna be like it only looks ugly when you get up close.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

Alright, so you so you're one of those people like when you get up 50 footer. Yeah, when you pull up to a traffic light, all you see across the back of the vehicle is just like tape everywhere that's starting to peel off.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:24

Yep. I gotta matter of fact, I gotta redo the tape.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:32

Oh my god. Oh well. Uh you guys have anything else you want to talk about? What's going on? Anything? I'm good.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:39

Yeah. No, I think I'm all right, bro. All right. All right. Um oil though, I think that's very very good uh information for everybody.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:49

Yeah, I I I I hope everybody got some uh some uh you know learned a little lesson here and there about that. And if you want more, if you want this information, uh just let me know and I'll send you the document and you can you can read about it yourself. All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:04

All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:05

That's what she said. Um uh coming up, what's coming up? Uh mostly it's gonna be Well no, she would actually say lube is good.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:17

Um, here it is. I'm gonna go. What viscosity? Yeah, what viscosity is your lube? Well, it depends on how fast I'm going in a particular session.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:28

Depends on how hot it is. How hydrated the rider is hot as the box. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:40

Better watch out for friction, though, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:41

Oh yeah. That's what the lube is for. And then they can market it like for your special rod. We make oils for the rod in your motorcycle, but we also make the ones for your special rod.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:04

Mobile.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:07

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:10

Well, we almost had a serious podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:12

Almost.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:12

Just almost. It was good there for a little while.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:15

Really serious, and then we just had a brunette.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:17

That's all right. We can start talking about lighthouses and shit like that. That's it. I I don't have anything else. Uh, what do I got coming up? I got a couple interviews coming up, but mostly it's gonna be motorcycle podcasters challenge stuff for the next uh forever. You know, and that's pretty much it. Uh there's like I said, I just have some uh couple interviews coming up, and that's all. And aside from that, it's all the same stuff. Uh I want to thank everybody for listening, stopping by and saying hello at the podcast. And uh you guys have anything else you want to bring up? No? Yes, no?

SPEAKER_06 1:25:53

Are you are you dragging that thing that you just bought, that 24-foot job up to uh up to the motorcycle man uh V Twin Cafe for uh episode 500? You got you and Kip Two crashing in that thing parking.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:10

Are you kidding?

SPEAKER_06 1:26:10

Parking it in a in a Walmart parking lot?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:13

Oh well, yeah. I don't know. Something about waking up in the morning and opening the door and seeing a Walmart in front of me. Yeah, that's true too.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:25

I I probably have a pizza hot in there too, or something, or something else. Wow, I I I miss getting the uh the pretzels. Uh, me and Tim, we used to do that. We used to go to Bradley's and get the pretzels. That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:38

Bradley's. Oh, geez, you guys are rattling some bones now. Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:43

Bradley's, really.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:44

Holy crap. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:47

No, but remember what it was. You know, here's a better one. Remember what it was called before Bradley's? Grants. It was Grants. Yeah. That was some old school shit. Grants. My God. I think I've been 10 years old when it was the Grants.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:01

And the funny thing is. Oh, remember two guys? Two guys, yeah. Here's the thing. They all just change names. It's all the same shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:10

Well, yeah, because if it we I didn't realize that until recently, if you look at the corporations that own these stores, they're the they're the ones that own all the stores. And they just change them out.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:21

Oh, uh, okay.

unknown 1:27:23

Didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:23

So expect Target to go under soon and somebody else take over.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:27

Yeah, what's gonna go in there in that case, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:29

We don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:32

Anyway, well, that's it, guys. Uh uh, thanks for listening. This has been episode 480. And here in the V Twin Cafe, I am Ted, your host.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:42

Ted uh drags the trailer up.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:43

Yep, man. I don't know what we're gonna do. I mean, we we've haven't really we we've talked about it briefly, but you know, it's um it's gonna happen probably in September or October. My guess is probably more more more likely probably more likely October. So I think the only thing that we can do if the Tim is up for it, we're just gonna take a drive up there and we'll do a we'll do a podcast, I guess, at your place. Or something. I don't know. And uh we'll do a pizza podcast. And you know, because it's not like we're inviting people to come sit with us.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:17

No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:19

Uh maybe we can have a call-in hour or something like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:22

Maybe you could set up a a mobile mobile podcasting station in the trailer.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:26

Now you see you're just trying to start troubles what you're trying to do.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:29

I am trying to start troubles. Get the old card table out. Set up set up a few mixing boards. Hang a couple guitars on the wall that that Tim can doodle on while we're while we're playing or while we're podcasting. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:46

We can have a we can have a bowl of popcorn there in the center. Right. Good measure.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:50

Okay. And we're we're just watching.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:52

You want to have that old school feeling, right? I do.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:55

Well, where where do you want to do this? Where do you want where do you want to do this? And don't say Walmart parking lot.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:59

In the trailer.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:00

But where? But where?

SPEAKER_06 1:29:02

Listen. The beauty of a travel trail. Watch this. The beauty of a travel trailer? Yeah. Anywhere. Well, you still have to have power.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:11

Yeah, it's still gonna have power and things like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:14

Oh, I just figured it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:15

What?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:16

The back parking lot of the Dunkin' Donuts by the parkway in Cranford. You can park completely across the back.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:25

I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:26

Get permission, and then you have Dunkin' Donuts. You can walk uh twenty feet right to Dunkin' Donuts.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:29

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:30

We don't have no power though.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:31

We need power.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:32

We'll take power from them too.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:33

Yeah, yeah, they'll go for that. Or we'll park and we'll park over at the roads, at the crossroads, and put it back there. Yeah, that'd be good. Yeah, Lee would go for that, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. Is there a campgrounds near there?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:52

I know New Jersey has campgrounds, but they're not anywhere near Union County, as far as I know.

unknown 1:29:57

Really?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:58

Yeah, up far north and then some in south, south. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:01

Isn't there a camp? Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that though.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:03

Well, I think they should Ted. I think this time they should come down here.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:08

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:08

Those two should come down here.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:10

All right, Chris, we gotta start shopping for trailers. We'll go to Ted's trailer and it's not the next podcast. Next podcast, Ted's gonna have a bunch of Craigslans for trailers, like you used to do with Find Tim a Bike. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:29

I know, I think it would be cool if we did like I don't know. I mean, see, last time, remember when we played it when we did when we did it at Crossroads, we had that we had that band play for us while while while we were doing the show? Something like that. I don't know. But it was great because I think what I'm hoping is, I mean, I maybe I'm just maybe I'm just being naive, but that we do the podcast up there, and you know, people who live in the area would, you know, come and see it, come and see us do it live. I don't know. But again, that's wishful thinking. You know, who's there? Who knows?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:02

Yeah, the problem is we have 600 listeners and they'll spread out the route. 600 listeners.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:09

We've got to get that one guy from Sandwich Island.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:13

He's not there anymore. You know, and we gotta get the Hooters girl. You fucking board her up to KFC and fucking set sail.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:21

Get our Zimbabwe folks to come over. Oh my god. All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:28

You probably pissed them off a few episodes.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:30

I don't know. I mean, I don't think you want me to check the stats now.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:33

I'm sure you said something. Yeah, right. I'm sure I did.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:36

I'm sure I did.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:37

You know, a couple of years down the road, a guy's gonna show up all like gassed out and fucked up looking, like he's been out in the wilderness for ten years, and it was that guy leaving the sandwich islands, hiking all the way up here to find you because you said something fucking.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:52

Yeah. There's a guy, there's a guy floating through the frigid waters right now, just with a picture of your face taped to like a fucking car tire. He's not forgotten the shit that you said 30 episodes ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:10

A dark boy with Ted's face all over it now.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:13

They're gonna make a movie about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:17

He's propelled by his hatred and makes everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:27

Oh my god. Already. It sounds like a funny thing, anyway. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:33

Alright, so we're gonna we're gonna bail, and that's it for now. Thanks for listening. I am Ted, your host, here in the V Twin Cafe. What happened now?

SPEAKER_06 1:32:42

Oh god. I don't know. Something had to happen.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:45

I guess. I yeah, something happened. I don't know what happened. I had all the sounds working, now they don't work again. I don't know. It always happens, doesn't it? Here it is. Nope, that's not there. Oh well. Alright, well, I'm Ted, your host, and uh we have uh Tim Buck2 also in the in the house. And Chris, uh Joker Nipples, 14-year-old 12 guy.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:10

Get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:13

And and of course we have uh our good friend Justin Brown.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:19

Shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:23

And that's it, boys and girls. Uh Tim, what do you have to say to close this out?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:27

Ride like nobody sees you.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:29

Chris, what about you?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:31

Ride like everybody sees you.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:37

And Justin.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:40

Ride like you got ten pounds of extra strength, clear packing tape on the side.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:58

That's it, boys and girls. That's what listening. And remember, kids, we say stupid crap, so you don't have to. Like you can if you want to. Like again if you wanted. Good night, everybody. And that's what happened.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:19

We were like, you would talk about how good it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:25

Just for you, just for your future.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:27

I'll never forget. Shut the fuck up! Oh my god. That was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:35

Betty bought her buttons and butter, but she said this butter's bitter. If I put it in my battery, it will make my batter better. So she went and bought a bit of better butter, put it in her bitter, batter, bitter, bitter, batter, better, so this better. Betty brother, bought a bit of better butter.